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Petitioner or Antigonist?

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Written by Tintin

Saturday, 06 December 2008

Mumbai attack

"Dear Friends,

I have just read and signed the online petition:

"Respond to 26 Nov - Take Immediate Action"
hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition
service, at:

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/26novAct/

I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might
agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider
signing yourself."

The above email came to me this morning as I logged into my gmail account to check my morning routine emails. I didn't had much time to analyse these petitioner's points but just thought of forwarding this mail to all of my other known people around the world. So I selected few people who I knew will reply back with their own thoughts. By 12 noon I was stucked by a mail send by a person who said " I reject your Petition" For a moment I was blank in my mind, no clue if I did it right by forwarding the mail? Am I going to get some antigonist reply me back? I read his mail and send him a reply soon. Within 20 seconds I see another mail coming by commenting on other comment. Hmmmmm! I gave a thought and went back to my work. Yet another email lined up by 2:00 PM.

As per the Petition, it says,

"To: Prime Minister of India

3 (three) urgent steps that needs to be taken to send a signal to the perpetrators and as well as the victims that this time round Indian political leadership will take visible action and "Walk the Talk".

Very Simply - We want "Assertive Action" in response to the recent terror incidents(mini-war) in Mumbai.

1)Destroy Internal Terror Support Network
Internal Elements/known suspects/peripherally suspected/passive helpers, residing in any part of India, supporting terror activities should be dealt with very severely.

2)Cripple the Source
26 Nov should be treated as India's 9/11
a) All known training camps outside the country should be attacked and destroyed.
b) All known terror suspects hiding out openly in neighboring countries should be flushed out by mounting unprecedented global pressure on their governments.

3)Police force of all states to be better equipped, trained and the most advanced surveillance systems to be deployed nationwide on a scale that will by itself act as a deterrent.

Sincerely,
The Undersigned "

So, are you a petitioner or an antigonist?

Comments

Malay Haldar - First Response

IP:67.169.30.18 | 2008-12-06 22:28:22

I reject your Petition:

The very fact that the Mumbai blast should be considered as India's 9/11 is one of the worst views people can make.
After US considered the US war on terror as a response to 9/11 we know for sure that today world isn't a better place. There has been a strong pressure from media to declare this as Indian's 9/11 which is to promote some immediate visible attacks . Let me remind you this kind of assertive actions doesn't help in anyway.Today we have multiple wars running. People affected in one way or another. If you really want to help the situation so that India and world as a whole is a better on place find out some positive and better ways.IN US as well after 9/11 emotions were running high. Its a shame that we always act on hurried emotional outburst. Don't live in the world of bounded rationality. Don't let history repeat itself. I also reject the bombing or going war with Pakistan or their elements.

tintin

Publisher | 2008-12-06 22:33:28

---- 26 Nov should be treated as India's 9/11 - Your perception is accepted but there is slight misunderstanding of what you said below.

("The very fact that the Mumbai blast should be considered as India's 9/11 is one of the worst views people can make. After US considered the US war on terror as a response to 9/11 we know for sure that today world isn't a better place. There has been a strong pressure from media to declare this as Indian's 9/11 which is to promote some immediate visible attacks . Let me remind you this kind of assertive actions doesn't help in anyway.Today we have multiple wars running. People affected in one way or another. If you really want to help the situation so that India and world as a whole is a better place find out some positive and better ways.IN US as well after 9/11 emotions were running high. Its a shame that we always act on hurried emotional outburst. Don't live in the world of bounded rationality. Don't let history repeat itself.") - I am a little confused of what you are trying to say here. So where did the petitioner went wrong by saying "26 Nov should be treated as India's 9/11"? As per my understanding, I believe 11/26 should be treated very seriously as the 9/11 act and work positively to eradicate terrorism and its elements from India and other nations. Clean our corrupted system and try to take steps to secure the Nation as done by USA. When it comes to media, its a very different rule and person should not try to compare the Media with things happening in real. I don't agree what they flash but afterall they have to run their business and reach the whole world. Moreover, I don't see India reacting with emotion, and by not going to war displays that India is taking right steps. Also the Petition is not talking about what USA did or reacted or how many wars they are in. I believe, India will take steps very tactfully and still doubt what measures it will take even getting thousand of such petitions in a day.

Sanjoy Ghosh

IP:59.97.176.62 | 2008-12-07 00:38:03

I have signed in favor.

Couldn't grasp the logic how being not assertive can help the cause. Flushing out roots of terrorism HONESTLY is absolutely necessary. Taking refuge behind words like "hurried emotional outburst" etc. when your own country is under threat, is cowardice. Years and years of practice of spineless peace have not given us any utopia either. So, it's rubbish pursuing this deceit. Let's unite to exterminate these b******s who keep on killing innocent lives in the name of Jihad and other similar idiotic monikers. Enough of their shitty causes. JAI HIND.

Arnab roy

IP:67.169.30.18 | 2008-12-07 02:51:47

I reject this petition.

Specially I have a problem with the point

a) All known training camps outside the country should be attacked and destroyed.

I believe that this sort of action will be an act of war against another country. If there is a band of shadowy terrorist groups, then they should be investigated within the country and outside with the help of the government of that sovereign nation. Also this petition is the very predictable and typical 'eye for an eye' approach that causes nothing more then an endless cycle of misery and violence. Terrorist incidents that are effecting our country are the manifestation of a complex series of historical events as well as current global realpolitik.
Religious riots that have taken place in our country and resulted in the loss of innocent lives have resulted in a wedge driven deeper and deeper between the Hindu-Muslim community. The atrocities of occupational armies have isolated and alienated tens of millions of youths. The bigotry and fanaticism that these events generate, form the seed of current and future atrocities like what happened in Mumbai. I condemn the terrorist acts with all my heart primarily because of the loss of innocent lives and also because it only fuels the cycle of violence. However I will not participate in any further act of conflict which only worsens the situation and I condemn the act of state terror that are perpetrated by armies against defenseless populations.

Sonipeck

Registered | 2008-12-09 08:05:57

I don't understand why should those training camps ever prevail, when we know there are training little boys for suicide mission? USA is anyway bombing these camps and Pakistan should actually help US and other nations to remove these camps which are just polluting Pakistan's own land. The civilian government is trying to co-operate with all the nations but the military and LeT groups are pushing hard the civilian government to act as per their wish. If the civilian government cannot handle those people then it should quit and let Talibans and Al-Quiada rule Pak, atleast then we can see our real enemies and fight against them.

Sonipeck

Registered | 2008-12-08 05:08:26

"3)Police force of all states to be better equipped, trained and the most advanced surveillance systems to be deployed nationwide on a scale that will by itself act as a deterrent."

I have to say that without strengthening our security and police force, one cannot talk of attacking others. When the enemy is residing in our country, its useless to blame other. Moreover, we need good leaders and politicians who instead of making false promises handle security issues responsibly. I don't think any of such petitions will work unless the government takes measures and buy good arms and ammunition for our security and NSG forces.

India is booming economically but we fall short when it comes to our safety!

Michael

IP:70.134.89.111 | 2008-12-08 07:01:17

Something needs to be done. How can you sit back and watch innocent lives taken for no reason.

Shayoni

Registered | 2008-12-09 08:00:12

Well yes this time India will show teeth to Pak and I believe the way Congress is handling diplomatically, is so far going good. India should not just go war without securing it's border but also shouldn't sit back giving up! We are the nation with brave-hearts and will not accept any such incidents from the terrorist. They cannot scare us or divide us with such incidents. Today I feel proud to say that after such havoc, we, regardless our religion, caste and race, have united against such militants. This should be a learn for them who think, can divide us religiously. Every man in every nation are are fedup of such activities and today, International countries are uniting against these so-called jihadis. Even Qasab accepted that he was mis-ledded so this means the people who are feeding such religious genocide are loosing their ground!

United We Stand!

Sonipeck

Registered | 2008-12-09 08:11:07

Yes, you are right. I think the Muslims in India are also fed-up of these crimes. In addition they are also fed up of any riots or action based on religion. Some of the dumb politicians are trying to create rift by putting the All India Students Committee yell Anti-Pak slogans, which is actually illogical when India knows some of the terrorist or people have helped these 10 gunmen sitting in India. People and politicians should understand that terrorism has no religion and no one has a right to create rifts or riots based on religious basis. I think Muslims of India are trying really hard to stop this stereotype thinking and we should try to remove such misconceptions from our head as well.

I liked what Shahrukh said in his interview, that person should make his own work his religion. Well said!

sandy - Religion is under attack

Publisher | 2008-12-09 18:33:44

I think the more we discuss about any religion, we unintentionally helping those terrorist elements propagandizing extremism in the name of religion. Hope we stop taking names of religions. The sooner we able to do that the better.

Parna

Editor | 2008-12-11 09:31:47

I too accept your petition.Its high time to do something effective as the iron is still hot.Gone are the days of Gandhigiri,actually uptil now we followed such rule and thus are worst sufferer with terrorist taking away lives of innumerable innocent people.Immediately President rule should be enacted followed by strict military previlance round the country during votes with no intervention from any parties...Let common ppl choose their leader not based on the benefits for the timebeing but based on lifelong benefit...Starting from a kid to an old man it is known who was behind such terrorist act in Mumbai..so lets show those inhumans our power once..Let there be no intereference from political leaders in such act...

tintin

Publisher | 2008-12-12 02:45:27

This isn't about showing off powers, its about our security. People can only be secured when borders maintain strict orders and follow security procedures. when our own country has terrorist residing and helping foreign attackers, then there is no question of going and attacking other country. I am happy the way India handle this situation diplomatically, and by not going to war, India has shown her decency. Sometimes its good to gun down attackers by using others gun!

Bicharok - abc252009

IP:67.169.30.18 | 2008-12-12 02:35:42

I don't think you are coming from a decent family or else you would have spoke decently. There are many Indians (Hindus & Muslims) who did helped many terrorist for creating havoc in Indian cities, moreover there are many politicians who take the advantage of religion and create rift between all the religion. Because of people like you in India, many innocent lives are taken away. Remember in this Mumbai attack many Hindus, Muslims, Christians and Jews are dead. Secondly, don't say that Hindus aren't killing people, the act of Gujarat CM Mr Modi reflects that Hindus are no more than a Muslim. 4000 innocent lives were gone due to religious issues and his act was heinous and gruesome. I feel sorry for people like you who are ignorant of the fact that they are the one who give birth to terrorist like Qasab.

tintin

Publisher | 2008-12-12 02:42:15

Bicharok, I agree with you I too found the act of Mr Modi insane and gruesome. I am not against Muslims but remember, terrorist who claim that they follow Muslim religion are exploiting the good side of the religion. eventually, good people are laying their life. I will be ashamed too if few Hindus go out there and play dirty games in the name of Hindu religion.

No religion teach their followers to kill people. One should watch Shoot at Sight movie which displays how this Mullahs are brainwashing young minds and turning them as suicide attackers.

Shayoni

Registered | 2008-12-12 07:06:46

There is this question arising then..we agree that all Muslims are not terrorist but then all terrorist are Muslims. Again, we are mistaken here. The religious theme this terrorist preach other young men are far away from any Quran or in other words, they just preach the negative factor or their mind to these men. They are just ignorant what they are doing and with a big ego, they consider themselves as Soldiers of God. Quran does not teach this to it's followers. Same way Gita didn't teach us to kill or murder innocent people so why did Modi tortured those innocent Muslim people? Did we read such things in our Gita? Where do he stands now..a politician or a terrorist? Crime is crime regardless of religion or race.

I agree with Bicharok in his opinion. I consider that calling a religion in a lowly manner is actually lowering oneself. The language and the attitude abc252009 is showing here is unacceptable. "if u r are a bangladeshi... then is u r father a pakistani... i mean u r actual father ?" - this sounds like as if the person is a slumdweller.

dasrajarshi - Modi the Killer

Registered | 2008-12-14 10:28:02

Mr. Bicharok Pls. reconsider the facts of Gujarat Riots.

Quote:

According to an official estimate, 1044 people were killed in the violence - 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus including those killed in the Godhra train fire.

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_violence]
Another Fact Sachar Report

Quote:

73.6 per cent is the literacy rate among the Muslims as against 68.3 per cent among Hindus. 7.3 per cent employees in Government service are Muslims while they form 9.01 per cent of the population. 4.5 per cent of the teachers are Muslims in the state. 40 Muslim sub-castes are being provided with reservation.

Even these poor records are the best among all Indian States, West-Bengal being the worst for Muslims. [http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Gujarat-govt-gives-Sachar-good-news-on-Muslims/16702/]
Now Do not get the idea that I am glorifying the Modi or his acts of cruelty against humanity, I am just correcting THE Facts Mr Bicharok [THE JUDGE]. In others words if Modi is so bad other CMs are worse. So do not get any ideas of humanity from any politicians, all are anti-Indians.
Lets come out of facts and figures and go back to the topic. I accept the petition of TINTIN. Before I begin lets make one point clear, that by fact Terrorists are tools to enforce political sinister ideas, unlike NAXAL movement which has come due to poor administration and governance [and some even have common people's support]. So this Muslim – Hindu talks are diversionary elements. We all are human beings need food and shelter to survive. Exceptions are politicians who need us to be manipulated to server their objectives. So coming on the first point

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Destroying the internal network

will include the destroying the politicians, frankly I don't see that happening. Next point

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Cripple the source

, then destroy the providers of money, you mean Saudi Arabia [World Oil reserve], I don't see that happening either. Next point

Quote:

equip police-force

. Well do you know there is 40% vacancy in Indian Judiciary, Guess Why? Of Course Help the politicians not to get the justice done, as 1/3 of politicians in parliament have criminal records. So I don't see that happening either.
All of you might be thinking am I nuts to accept the petition and then negate it. No my dear friends, as any Indian[who loves his nation] I just wish the petition gets executed but I know I am just dreaming.

Sonipeck - dasrajarshi

Registered | 2008-12-14 10:26:10

Well Thank you for quoting all the facts about the Gujarat Riots. Unfortunately I will have to say that 2000 Muslims were killed during this riot. According to another news source, many Muslim women were victims of gang rape and later burned alive by many Hindu men. many were homeless and furthermore, mostly women were victimized, mentally, physically and psychologically because of this riot. Read--> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1933521.stm

Another fact of this riot is that the Godhra Train incident was provoked by the Hindu activities of 'kar seva' and might be they forced the Muslims to do this act of massacre. I am not saying that this wasn't a heinous act but was moreover provoked by the Hindu activities. Please read this article by Tehelka. --->http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Pantheon/4789/Communalism/Gujrat/mystery1.html

frankly speaking this riot was nothing compared to the riots of 1984 (during the Gandhi era) when 3000 people were killed and fact that 10,000 people were killed in J&K.

tintin - Petition from US NRIs

Publisher | 2008-12-14 10:25:33

Here is another I came across in one of the Orkut community which says, "USINPAC (US India Political Action Committee) is circulating a petition calling for changes in US aid to Pakistan to be signed by Indian Americans across the country and will then present the petition to the U.S. Congress." Here is the link---> http://www.petitiononline.com/USINPAC9/petition.html

I am not sure how much these petition will impact the leaders of the world, but I know that people of India will not accept any such incidents anymore. Some says that to boycott vote but I am not sure if this will be the right thing to do. Again, why should we even vote those self-centered politicians?

The Petition says,
"To: U.S. Congress

1. The Indian American community expresses its OUTRAGE at last week’s deadly attacks, which have resulted in 180 deaths, including those of 6 Americans. Sadly, India is no stranger to terrorism, having suffered more than nearly any other country. These attacks however represent an entirely NEW level of threat.

2. Given the scale, sophistication and audacity of this operation, there is every indication that this was a sophisticated campaign orchestrated by external groups inimical to the West. All evidence points to the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) being behind this attack, and that would fit entirely with their history of deadly operations. The LeT, operating out of camps in Pakistan, openly advocates global jihad. To this end, we now need to view the LeT and Al Qaeda as increasingly blurring into one entity.

3. We believe that in the interests of broader peace – America needs to demand that Pakistan close down ALL terror camps in its territory or risk losing US funding that has amounted to over $10 Billion in US Tax payer dollars since 9/11.

4. Furthermore, US Congressional funding also should be contingent on Pakistan extraditing Dawood Ibrahim, one of the region’s most deadly underworld criminals. Mr Ibrahim is widely acknowledged to be living under Pakistani state protection in Karachi. He is also believed to have provided logistical support for this particular attack, in addition to being the mastermind of previous attacks. He is designated as a Global Terrorist by the US Treasury Department and Pakistan has resisted all previous requests from India for his extradition. Given the threat he poses, it is imperative that he is brought to justice in a court of law.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned"

Sonipeck

Registered | 2008-12-14 05:57:21

I have accepted this petition too!

Parna

Editor | 2008-12-15 04:24:50

Does it really matters whether few people accept those petition or not

Starting from 27th Nov till date all daily newspapers of India are flooded with promises and strict steps to be followed to workout some solution..CBI including Indian police are still beating in the bush to solve the sms issue..Even US secretary Rice's visit to India,her promises to stay by Indian side were overruled when Zardari,Pak president announced if India gets overexxagerated he ll even declare war....Whats happening man!!!

Bicharok - Parna

IP:67.169.30.18 | 2008-12-15 07:05:37

Do you have a news link where Zardari mentioned about a war. He will be super stupid to say such things especially when the world is pressurizing Pakistan to co-operate with others on War On Terror.

I don not believe either that any such petition will work but when world leaders see many such petition forming and people writing blogs about against such mishandling by the Government, good things happens.

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